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Goldeyesfan101

Will Forney be back...

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( 8-Sep-09 00:12:43)

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The big off season question will be if Forney and company are back, or will he be sent packing. The brass will have some tough decisions to make and my opinion is that they must move on.
It's been said time after time that in this league there is no time to develop players, that you must win every game possible. Same can be said about the coaching. Win or go home!

craigiecubsfan

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( 8-Sep-09 00:34:50)

I'd be very surprised if he didn't come back. He built a fantastic team this year, and the Pulsipher and Harrison moves were brilliant. The fans for the most part like him, and honestly, had Wes Long been healthy all year, who knows? Lanier was here forever and never won the big one.

SectionR

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( 8-Sep-09 02:30:42)

I'm no baseball expert by a long shot, but, after watching the Goldeyes crash and burn last night for the 11th time in 11 seasons since I bought my first ticket, I can't help but think the record shows the Lanier/Forney dynasty just can't bring it all home when it matters most.

When you objectively compare the results achieved in Gary (5th time in the finals in 5 years, I believe) and Fargo (perennial contenders) you have to conclude something needs to change and its time for a new manager with a new history, network and vision.

caretaker110

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( 8-Sep-09 05:12:43)

SectionR

What more do you want. Its the managers job to put a team together and give it the opportunity to win.... are you saying its Forneys fault that Goldeyes lost. Please give your head a share this team should of won series in three straight

Are you saying Winnipeg hasn't been ( perennial contenders) This is our playoff record in this league

Northern League Champions:

1994
Central Champions:

1999, 2001, 2002Championship Series:

1995
Division Champions:

1997, 2003Semi-Finals:

1996, 1998, 2000, 2006, 2007, 2008.2009I know plenty of teams that will kill for this record

Over 16,000 fans paid (in the area of ) the average seat price of 15.00 to watch the series this year. You think Sam isn't pleased as punch at the extra profit

Sam will run to sign Forney

I have been a season ticket holder since 1993 This is one of the best teams we have put to gether. In any sudden death game its a crap shoot as to who is going to win. "Thats baseball"

Now how about all of you's getting off Forneys ass, start a thread and tell him how much you have enjoyed the time and effort he has given to put together a team that we could have great evenings at the park. You do understand only one team wins. Yes I wish it was us. In baseball theres always next time. I hope the next time its us

SectionR

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( 8-Sep-09 05:38:53)

caretaker110, I want them to win a championship so I finally get to see my own team spraying the bubbly around in our ball park for a change, plain and simple.

If "Its the managers job to put a team together and give it the opportunity to win" then a quick glance at the home page of the Northern League web site confirms Andy McCauley, Greg Tagert and Doug Simunic all did a better job than Rick Forney did in the past 4 seasons because their teams are all listed under "Past Champions" and one of them will be again this year.

You say "In any sudden death game its a crap shoot as to who is going to win." so wouldn't that suggest Lanier and/or Forney should have emerged victorious at least half the time over the years? Or certainly somewhat more often then never, like once or twice, maybe?

Last Edited By: SectionR 8-Sep-09 05:49:19. Edited 1 times.

craigiecubsfan

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( 8-Sep-09 06:06:45)

I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but Reggie Jackson was awful as usual in the series. Game two was ours. He should have tossed out Piepkorn and definitely called out Piepkorn on strikes, but like Paul Edmonds said. he didn't have the intestinal fortitude. It is what it is however, and you could go on and on with what could have beens. Either way, Forney should be applauded for the team he gave us this season.

caretaker110

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( 8-Sep-09 07:23:33)

SectionR wrote:

You say "In any sudden death game its a crap shoot as to who is going to win." so wouldn't that suggest Lanier and/or Forney should have emerged victorious at least half the time over the years? Or certainly somewhat more often then never, like once or twice, maybe?

No them are not the odds in a crap shoot my friend.

I have been lucky enough to not only see the bubblie on the field but in the stands. I was there in 1994.

Do you happen to remember how long Boston waited for there World series

there can only be 1 winner. Our players have had the chance nearly all the years since 1993.

Do you think it will be Greg or Doug's fault when one of them loses next week. Good managers don't always win, if you can't see that I am sorry. I am greatful to have seen great baseball again this year

Last year some blamed Hank this year some blame Reggie seems we always need to blame someone. funny its never ourselfs. I am glad our boys had a chance to win. I am sorry they didn't

take advantage of the chance. Thank you Ric for putting together a team that had a chance to win it all. See you next season keep trying

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FMHawksFan

6 runs in the 6th

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( 8-Sep-09 07:24:17)

Take away that inning and Winnipeg wins. Forney should not lose his job over one bad inning plain and simple and Yes Reggie Jackson makes a lot of bad calls when he is behind the plate and they usually go both ways. I was sitting with Andrew Collier when a Goldeye player was also arguing balls and strikes in game two. I can not be sure of the player though I think it may have been Kevin West. So when Piepkorn did the same he pretty much had to give him a pass on it. If I was a Winnipeg fan I would want Forney back. He may very well even be named manager of the year when it is all said and done.

kennethap

Toss out Piepkorn??? Why? So the Goldeyes could have a fighting chance?

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( 8-Sep-09 07:34:52)

craigiecubsfan wrote:
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but Reggie Jackson was awful as usual in the series. Game two was ours. He should have tossed out Piepkorn and definitely called out Piepkorn on strikes, but like Paul Edmonds said. he didn't have the intestinal fortitude. It is what it is however, and you could go on and on with what could have beens. Either way, Forney should be applauded for the team he gave us this season.

THE UMPIRE?!?

Are you really blaming the umpire again??? Umpires don't make weak pitches, don't commit errors, and don't give up when the home team is down five runs. All of which I saw the Goldeyes do in the final game of the series. Please don't blame the umpire. Do you know how sorry an excuse this sounds?

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Kennethap

craigiecubsfan

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( 8-Sep-09 07:52:59)

kennethap wrote:

craigiecubsfan wrote:
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but Reggie Jackson was awful as usual in the series. Game two was ours. He should have tossed out Piepkorn and definitely called out Piepkorn on strikes, but like Paul Edmonds said. he didn't have the intestinal fortitude. It is what it is however, and you could go on and on with what could have beens. Either way, Forney should be applauded for the team he gave us this season.
THE UMPIRE?!?

Are you really blaming the umpire again??? Umpires don't make weak pitches, don't commit errors, and don't give up when the home team is down five runs. All of which I saw the Goldeyes do in the final game of the series. Please don't blame the umpire. Do you know how sorry an excuse this sounds?

Hank Himmanen should have been calling this series, not Reggie. Reggie's from Fargo, hence conspiracy theory. Either way, Reggie should be handing out tokens at some arcade, not calling games. Getting back on track, Rick and his staff... the great Rudy Arias and Tom Vaeth should be welcome back with open arms.

JohnU11

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( 8-Sep-09 09:55:58)

The thread here is about Forney and not the umpire, so I will attempt point that direction.
I tend to agree with Caretaker on this. The manager does his best to bring in the guys who can play well enough to get to post-season.
Forney does that without a problem.

But changing managers is a case of maybe being careful what you wish for. In at least one case, a new manager did not take the team in the right direction and they are paying for it.

caretaker110

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( 8-Sep-09 10:03:13)

Kennethap

You know friend you have to know some of these fans. At times I wonder about them. I was surprised last year when people carried on about the job behind the plate when Gary put us out and the same people rained on him that he just didn't want to make the long drive back to Gary. This year it was sad to hear Paul whine that two of the umps lived in Fargo. To think these umps care who wins a series in independent ball. Goldeyes lost for only one reason they didn't cash in on there opportunities and threw the ball away at times.

Enough said on this topic by me except to say suck it up people we lost. Its only a game and its baseball and its next year time.

I would suggest you listen in on the call in show on Wednesday when everyone has time to settle down and hear what the experts have to say as they rehash the series and the season.

I look forward to following the next series to its conclusion

LowandInside

Next Year Time

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( 8-Sep-09 23:40:15)

Agreed that the umpires don't care who wins and loses, but I certainly believe that a few of them (Reggie Jackson certainly) are clearly over matched by the calibre of ball played in the Northern League.

The Goldeyes will keep Forney and his staff around. The manage isn't responsible for injuries. Forney and company may have been a little too complacent during the second half while the lead disentigrated but in the end he brought in the best available players for the stretch run. Unfortunately, the swagger was gone by then and the boys simply couldn't get it back.

Remember that Gary was .500 team until Guerrero was fully recovered from injury and to give Simmy credit, he wasn't satified with .500 and he found McDonald to replace DeCaster's bat. Simmy always builds a versitile pitching staff and in the end he was able to find match ups that works against Winnipeg.

I think that West, Diaz, Pulsipher, and maybe Matheny (if he wants to catch) will be back as veterans. While Harrison, Frost, Bay, Asonovich, Long, Walker, Stewart, Thomas, and Baldwin will return in their various classifications. Maybe Frost could learn to play CF or LF where is wheels would be an asset in the field.

Dee Brown tailed off in the second half and he failed to execute small ball too many times, Patton gets the most out his ability but despite what Scott Taylor says he isn't a good OF and finally although Homer is a good pitcher it would be cruel to bring him back as the face of a season lost.

Thanks to the Goldeyes for a great first half and maybe next year they'll be able to build their momentum through the complete season including the playoffs.

pleasevoteforpedro

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( 9-Sep-09 02:14:06)

kennethap wrote:

craigiecubsfan wrote:
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but Reggie Jackson was awful as usual in the series. Game two was ours. He should have tossed out Piepkorn and definitely called out Piepkorn on strikes, but like Paul Edmonds said. he didn't have the intestinal fortitude. It is what it is however, and you could go on and on with what could have beens. Either way, Forney should be applauded for the team he gave us this season.
THE UMPIRE?!?

Are you really blaming the umpire again??? Umpires don't make weak pitches, don't commit errors, and don't give up when the home team is down five runs. All of which I saw the Goldeyes do in the final game of the series. Please don't blame the umpire. Do you know how sorry an excuse this sounds?

And should we perhaps add that whether or not a strike should have been called in Game 2 (I was listening to it on the radio, so I have no idea what the pitch looked like), it was neither Umpire nor Manager who sailed the ball past 1B into right field. And It wasn't either of them again, who failed to get the ball to first base, allowing 2 runs to score rather than ending the inning and the rally in game 5.

Forney seems to have done a pretty good job of attracting talent to Winnipeg in the 4 years he's been at it. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back, although then again I guess it depends on who else is out there looking for a job and willing to come to Canada.

FMHawksFan

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( 9-Sep-09 10:35:59)

LowandInside wrote:
Remember that Gary was .500 team until Guerrero was fully recovered from injury and to give Simmy credit, he wasn't satified with .500 and he found McDonald to replace DeCaster's bat. Simmy always builds a versitile pitching staff and in the end he was able to find match ups that works against Winnipeg.

Simmy found McDonald to replace Randall Simon. DeCaster left before the all-star break.

LowandInside

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( 9-Sep-09 21:55:30)

I understand that was the chronological time line. I was trying to give an examples of how Simmy kept tinkering until his team was where he wanted it. I suspect he would have found a way to get McDonald even if Simon hadn't bailed.

Hats off to him, he knows how to build a team for the Northern League, as does Taggert in Gary.

TYSOALEX

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( 9-Sep-09 23:19:51)

Short of prying Tagert or Simmy from their current jobs ( and that's not going to happen ) I don't see Forney leaving anytime soon. He's done a good job he just needs to get over that one hump. Based on this list in The Sun this morning of probables that would like to return next season, Diaz, West, Long, Harrison among them stating they want to come back, Forney should have a good nucleus to work with next season. Of course all bets are off this time of year on players returning next season but if it holds true they'll be on the right track. Considering the team wass blown up from last season they did a good job this year.

SectionR

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(10-Sep-09 08:06:38)

caretaker110 wrote:
I have been lucky enough to not only see the bubblie on the field but in the stands. I was there in 1994.

As I mentioned at the outset, I'm not a lifelong baseball fan and the Northern League in the CanWest Park era is the only baseball I've ever followed. Who was the winning manager in 1994? I hope I'm not doing Lanier a disservice by including him in my earlier posts.

craigiecubsfan

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(10-Sep-09 08:46:41)

SectionR wrote:

caretaker110 wrote:
I have been lucky enough to not only see the bubblie on the field but in the stands. I was there in 1994.

As I mentioned at the outset, I'm not a lifelong baseball fan and the Northern League in the CanWest Park era is the only baseball I've ever followed. Who was the winning manager in 1994? I hope I'm not doing Lanier a disservice by including him in my earlier posts.

Doug Simunic

caretaker110

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(10-Sep-09 23:31:29)

Good morning SectionR

Yes Doug Simunic came to Winnipeg in 1994 along with the team when it was purchased. He had been the manager in 1993 when the team was in Rochester. Doug and his bad boy image didn't last long in Winnipeg and he was squeezed out when Sam felt it may be a time for a change.

Doug joined Fargo in there first year after a very bitter break with Winnipeg. I think the big rivalry is between Winnipeg and Simmy not Winnipeg and Fargo.

Lanier you should recall had a long and sucessful career in the mager leagues as a player. He was also a manager in The Major Leagues winning National League Manager of the Year in 1986

Take a look at Hals major league playing history He played there not just up for a handful of games

Hal Lanier Hal Lanier Hitting Stats
Yr	Team	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	GS	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SH	SF	HBP	GIDP	AVG	OBP	SLG
1964	Giants	98	383	40	105	16	3	2	0	28	5	0	44	12	1	0	12	.274	.283	.347
1965	Giants	159	522	41	118	15	9	0	0	39	21	4	67	12	1	0	21	.226	.256	.289
1966	Giants	149	459	37	106	14	2	3	0	37	16	7	49	8	1	0	20	.231	.256	.290
1967	Giants	151	525	37	112	16	3	0	0	42	16	2	61	13	1	2	17	.213	.239	.255
1968	Giants	151	486	37	100	14	1	0	0	27	12	0	57	14	6	0	17	.206	.222	.239
1969	Giants	150	495	37	113	9	1	0	0	35	25	5	68	13	4	0	16	.228	.263	.251
1970	Giants	134	438	33	101	13	1	2	0	41	21	4	41	2	2	0	20	.231	.265	.279
1971	Giants	109	206	21	48	8	0	1	0	13	15	3	26	4	2	0	6	.233	.283	.286
1972	Yankees	60	103	5	22	3	0	0	0	6	2	0	13	0	1	1	3	.214	.234	.243
1973	Yankees	35	86	9	18	3	0	0	0	5	3	0	10	0	0	1	3	.209	.244	.244
Career		G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	GS	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SH	SF	HBP	GIDP	AVG	OBP	SLG
10 Years		1,196	3,703	297	843	111	20	8	0	273	136	25	436	78	19	4	135	.228	.255	.275

SectionR

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(13-Sep-09 09:47:49)

caretaker110, thanks for the unncessary history recap. I'm sure he had a great record from 1964 to 1973 (ancient history) but that means nothing to me in my short baseball experience since 1999 when he couldn't bring home the prize for 10 seasons.

The 2009 season is over now and the winner is... Doug Simunic, and his team, yet again.

Back to my point, and one shared by Paul Wiecek, its time this organization looked further afield for a winning leader. And, yes, the manager is not just some guy who rounds up a few players and hopes they perform. He's got to be the leader and inspire the best in every one of them to win and we clearly don't have that here.

Last Edited By: SectionR 13-Sep-09 09:53:47. Edited 1 times.

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