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 IndyGraveyardKeeper |
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Posts: 4 (11-Oct-07 22:43:13) |
I received a curious message the other day from Michael Harden, who says the Atlantic Coast League will be revived in 2009. (Harden is the league president.)
Whether it's just a "phantom" league remains to be seen. He sent a link to their site, which has no information and is essentially a template
right now. For what it's worth.
Kevin McCann www.indyleaguesgraveyard.com |
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Posts: 5 (11-Oct-07 22:54:03) |
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Posts: 5268 (11-Oct-07 22:55:10) |
More than most, you would be aware of any new leagues and how hard it is for them to succeed. I haven't heard anything about it.
Until the site has some content it'll be hard to know anything about it. |
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Posts: 13 (12-Oct-07 00:55:10) |
Given the vaporware nature of many "new indy league!" announcements over the years, I find the site's "Where legends are born" banner
tagline pretty hilarious, if unintentionally so.
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Posts: 6 (16-Oct-07 11:09:54) |
Oh, I definitely have a "seeing is believing" attitude toward any up-and-coming indy league. It's easy to put together a website and say
you're starting a league.It's interesting that someone would try to "revive" the short-lived Atlantic Coast League. There's no mention of
prospective cities. This post definitley belongs in the category of "For what it's worth."
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Posts: 7 (28-Oct-07 01:04:07) |
I've just received an e-mail from the president/CEO of the new Atlantic Coast League. He asks that the league be removed from Indy Leagues Graveyard
because they plan to play in May 2009 and will "become the premiere independent league in the country."
My position (which I've explained to him) is that unless the original founder or executives are involved, a new ACL is not really the same ACL that folded in '95. It's just a new owner/group using the old name but the history and records of the old league shouldn't carry over to the new one. Does the present-day Northern League claim the history and records of the "old" NL? To me, they're two separate entities. What does everyone think? I've sure this contention will come up more and more if leagues begin using the names of defunct leagues. |
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Posts: 26 (28-Oct-07 04:43:31) |
In my opinion, I don't see any reason to acknowledge a newly-started league's claim to the history of an older league that just happened to have the
same name.
At any rate, the ACL website has been filled with some content now, including a self-released article on the locations they're looking at (with the lede being ill-fated attempts to return to Spartanburg): Even though the Atlantic Coast League may not be able to bring a team to Spartanburg, the league is not giving up hope on the future of the league. "With the opening season still a year and a half away, we are still hopeful on achieveing our goals of fielding six (6) ball clubs in the inaugural season", Harden states. That strikes me as a pretty darn large potential footprint for an upstart league. (And somebody should tell Harden that Allentown isn't exactly up for grabs...) |
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Posts: 19 (28-Oct-07 05:22:53) |
Zeyes wrote: Why wouldn't the SCL be exploring those markets. Allentown has a team, and the other cities are major college towns. Smells like a disaster is unfolding!! |
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Ray Sipsa |
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Posts: 306 (29-Oct-07 01:51:24) |
I know that at one of the Northern League ballparks (Gary? Joliet?) they have photographs in the stadium of Northern League players of yesteryear who went on
to become big major league stars. I supposed this could be viewed as misleading. On the other hand, this seems to be the trend - starting an indy league
using the name of an old defunct minor league.
I don't know if they incorporate the old records as well. |
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Posts: 372 (29-Oct-07 04:10:39) |
the NoL seemed to have cherry picked numbers from previous leagues of the same name last season with willie glen and the 'strikeout record'
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superiorfan |
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Posts: 260 (29-Oct-07 20:17:25) |
I think the records for the difference incarnations of these leagues should stand as separate records. There are a great deal of differences in for example
the league make-up of the Northern League of pre-1971 to that of 1993-present. Current independent leagues should use their own set of records. I'm not
sure there should even be that much interest in using any records from a 1995 4 team league. It's not very interesting or historically significant but
only a footnote in Indy League history. As far as photos and memorabilia from past leagues that's part of the baseball heritage of the city and is a
completely different topic then references to records. I'd like to see some more displays of items at Wade Stadium (Duluth, MN) from 1941-1970.
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Posts: 28 ( 7-Nov-07 10:47:28) |
The more stuff the ACL guy(s) put on their website, the more it reads like a parody site. Announcing your Opening Day very early on is a popular ploy for
upcoming indy leagues, I suppose, but how about announcing your entire first season
structure even while you don't have any markets lined up yet?
It is now official that the season will begin May 22nd and last until August 22nd. The playoffs will begin on August 24th with four teams in the postseason. So that's 90 games in 93 days, I guess, and four-team playoffs come hell or high water (or a four-team league). 
The "ACL History" section is a doozy, too. The first paragraph is taken near-verbatim from The History of Independent Baseball Leagues book, I think, and then there's the second paragraph: But, in 2006, a man by the name of Michael Harden, decided he would revive the Atlantic Coast League, and make it successful. Harden has been in the works of an independent league since 1995, when he originally came up with the idea of calling the league, the Atlantic League for Professional Baseball, which was to be originally based in the Southeast and Northeast U.S. But in 1998, his dreams were halted majorly, when two men decided to call their league, the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, based entirely in the Northeast U.S. Since then, Harden had been trying to come up with a proper name for th league. He decided to rename the league, the Atlantic Coast League for Professional Baseball. It took him eight years to come up with the name for a league that can charitably be described as only "in the conceptual stages" even after all those years? Wow, just wow. And to admit to that in writing, too... |
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