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of course Sam is making money. This thing partially started because Sam was trying to downgrade his assets and income because the more he is worth, the more he
has to pay to his wife. I don't think he intended on it going public like this. He'll get what's coming to him.
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Fish $4M in debt, Katz says | ||
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The FreeP has a brand new story on this: Fish $4M in debt, Katz says
It sounds like Sam's a bit upset and starting his "offence" on the story: The mayor claimed he never intended to suggest his Northern League of Baseball franchise is unprofitable when he said in a sworn affidavit that the team can't afford to repay Crocus "until such time as the Goldeyes can have a financially viable season."It next mentions how the Goldeyes "made a profit" last year, but are still in debt and didn't have loans. Katz said the Winnipeg Goldeyes turned a profit last year, but declined to name a dollar figure, stating the team's shareholders are well aware of the amount. It's too soon to say whether the team is in the black or red in 2007, he added.Hmm... that's the major point of contention. The receiver says it was a loan with interest payments, the Goldeyes lawyer says they weren't loans but investments. If they are investments there is no interest and nothing requiring payment for the past several years.
(Further clarification) That would explain why Sam made no payments --there was no need to. It
was not a loan. No interest (or debt) accrued. Why should the club pay anything when they have other expenses to cover?
More significantly (given quotes above) no one from Crocus asked for a payment, further suggesting it was not a loan. No one representing the fund wanted money until the receiver showed up. The receiver made things worse by not replying to the repeated contacts by the Goldeyes lawyer --assuming any interest accrued during that time and the club was prevented from making any payment. This is will probably will be decided in court. There's full sidebar to this with Sam's comments about all the major topics: On what he meant when he swore in an affidavit that the Winnipeg Goldeyes can't pay the receiver for the Crocus Investment Fund "until such time as the Goldeyes can have a financially viable season":The other parts about his ex's salary and all the rest of the same crud. ("Crud" as in "waste of time" probing around court documents for more political mud.) If you cut through all the press hyperbole, press/investor outrage, --and rehashing... there are probably only two real issues:
1. Was there a loan accruing interest that went unpaid for several years? This looks like a court decision.
2. Will the Goldeyes shares held by the fund be sold? After that it's all about how it any/all of it gets paid to the Crocus investors. The rest is all a "political theatre of the absurd."
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nlfan |
More of the same | ||
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Another day anther rehash in the FreeP by Sinclair: Crocus deal shows
mayor's bad side
His opinion is that Sam "is playing us for fools." Gordon rehashes most of the above and points out the first of my two issues above. A big difference of (legal?) opinion rests on whether there was a loan or "investment." The rest is presenting a "ping-pong" of "reversals" by Sam. The appearance may be that but, as in the case of "profitable, but in debt" it may be only that. Yes they made money --and-- yes they have debt (like stadium payments); the question there is how much impact does that debt actually impact the annual expenses. It's confusing and maybe an accountant can/will clear this up. The issue he doesn't raise is a possible third issue: Was there any misuse of company funds that could be brought in civil suit? That is about the only place the sideshow of expenses from the divorce proceedings have any impact. On that count it may be up to the receiver to decide whether if there's enough of a case to try getting some sort of compensation and whether its worth pursuing. I don't know the legal issues, especially in Canadian law, but that's about the only way the Crocus investors will get anything. The rest is more bad PR and hype. |
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I believe the real issue to us as Indy ball fans is that the man running the city and the team seems to have a side to him that makes it easy to bend if not
break the rules(may break is right)this may be more of a character issue to me and others.
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another American commenting on something he has absolutely no
knowledge about. The Crocus Fund (and how it was set up) nor have you seen the contract between Sam and crocus.
Do you believe every thing that is writen in a Newspaper that is very much to the left and is pushing all this crap from there liberal views. Again I would suggest everyone wait for the courts to rule By the way can you put in writing which rules have been bent or broke and what is your proof. I think you may be the one with the character issues. Judge only after you have seen the facts or when the courts make a ruling on the facts of the agreement between the parties involved. It is so easy to tear someone down when you do not have to face them. Why don't you contact Sam.
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aawatcher wrote:I wouldn't bring Sam's character into question either. It's not like he's clubbing baby seals to death for sport. My understanding is that he's done a lot of good for the Goldeyes, the NoL, and the city of Winnipeg. I've got enough concern with my own bills to be concerned with Sam's bills. Quite frankly, the only thing that drew my attention to this thread was the title. What kind of propaganda are we going to be subjected to this time? is all I could think of the first time reading the title. My question is (because I am too lazy to do the research), Are the Goldeyes a privately held company? If so, Sam can pay all the nannies and ex-wifes he wants to pay. It's his money. It's that simple. If not a privately held company, then...???
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Another day, and (still) more of the re-hash | ||
Are the Goldeyes a privately held company?And the circus show continues through The Canadian Press (as referenced by BPD's top story): Business lawsuit, divorce create legal and political woes for Winnipeg mayor In it there are at least specific quotes from Sam on the subjects above. First as to your question: The team's financial situation remains unclear. As a privately owned club, they are not required to issue public financial statements. Katz said the team is still paying a mortgage on its ballpark.And Sam's the majority shareholder with (supposedly) 65% of the shares. As for the salaries and nannies. "In the business world, it's not uncommon for your family to perform some services and receive a salary," he said.About the only thing new (after all the rehash) is any thoughts about the 2010 mayoral race: Katz has not decided whether he will seek re-election in 2010, but a political analyst said the controversy may cost him.Of course to overcome this he'll have to get the citizens of Winnipeg have to understand that how he runs his business(es) and government aren't one and the same. It's not as if he put Bailie on the city's payroll. Unfortunately the circus has become heated with Sam referring to one talk radio program "as a two-hour drive-by shooting." BPD's focus is on the value of the franchise claiming "if he were to put the Goldeyes up for sale tomorrow at $4 million -- more than he claims the team is worth -- he'd have potential buyers lined up around the block." Certainly the Goldeyes are "golden" at the turnstile, but it's been very difficult for anyone to sell indy franchises for "top dollar" (even Canadian ones). I'm sure investors will show up but given the very issues raised by the Crocus suggest some may be put off by the lack of liquidity or Sam's management raised in the press --because I'm certain he would not sell off the entire team. On the other hand, if a third party sets a "fair market" of the team that was substantially higher than Sam's value, this would only make things worse (though they might truly line up around the block to flip the Goldeyes if not simply to benefit from its profitability). That might happen if the receiver and/or the courts try to recover the fund's investment --regardless of whether they sell or not. The other point, as I've already suggested, is the nature of the later "investments" in the Goldeyes: loan or equity?
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to sell indy franchises for "top dollar" (even Canadian ones). Mmmmm... As of this morning, the Canadian Dollar is trading at $1.03.65 US. Which means it's worth "MORE" than the US greenback. I assume you are sooooooo used to the Candian buck being worth less... which it has been for the last 20 years. The world is an ever changing thing... do try to keep up. |
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And I'm well aware of the miserable exchange rate --and that you can no longer get refunds on your GST as you used to.
It makes my point all the more significant since the Goldeyes would be sold in loonies not buck --adding an unexpected additional cost for any US investors. |
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Most of the reports on the Goldeyes and the Crocus fund have been pretty negative. In fact, as the story developed it became more of a smear campaign on Sam
Katz than anything else. Here is a blog from a local person (this is not my blog, I have nothing to do with it) that looks at the smear campaign and the
overall story. I found it quite interesting.
http://blackrod.blogspot.com/2007/10/ka-boom.html |
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Has the media circus moved on? | ||
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It appears the "explosive" report may not explode everywhere, or at least not right away: Crocus report in
judge's hands.
And all of this is happening with no more re-hash, mention of Sam, or the Goldeyes. Has that particular media circus left town finally left town (I hope)? At least the sidebar (entitled "Tories push for report's release") suggests it may have returned to the larger, provincial and full-fund issue and not the (tiny) sideshow their investment in the Goldeyes (ever) represented. |
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