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 BillyChapel14 |
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Posts: 359 (25-Oct-07 08:22:22) |
Does any one know if the NOL will have 2 divisions or just 1? If it's two do we have any idea what teams on in each?
It would seems logical to say the Chicago teams in one division and the rest in the other, but the schedule doesn't lend to that idea. Any thoughts? 
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Posts: 365 (25-Oct-07 08:57:16) |
with a six team league why bother with divisions? Personally i don't think there is any need for 2 rounds of playoffs either. Winner of first half v winner
of second half (or wildcard) for the league championship. I don't see any point in playing an entire schedule to eliminate only 1/3 of the teams from
postseason. Lets make it actually mean something to make the playoffs.
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Posts: 5354 (25-Oct-07 09:41:13) |
I believe they said there will be two rounds of playoffs. I don't know if they'll have divisions but it wouldn't surprise me. It would make more
sense if they have four clubs in the post season.
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Posts: 53 (25-Oct-07 10:10:18) |
i know the league will have one six team division weather or not 4 teams make playoffs, I dont know. I agree with both sides 2 3 team div might not be that
great, but 4 teams should make playoffs, even though 2/3s of the league makes postseason, in the end the 2 best teams are playing for the championchip, proving
a teams right to be there
its going to make the league boring ir only 2 make postseason, I dont want to see what team will be playing in the champ a month and a half before it begins, I want to see headlines like the vipers sweep Fm for west div crown and first champ appeaerance, whats the point of going to the games knowing your team doesn't have to earn its way into the SEPT classic Lets be honest if we only do first and 2nd half champs, then we are all going to be expecting FM vs GRY or WIN in the champ game, no fun, it doesn't make any sense. If I knew the flyers were going to just go all the way then I would have no reason for going to any 2nd half games, so heres the way to go 1st half champ, 2nd half champ, and 2 wildcards based on best overall record 
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Posts: 143 (25-Oct-07 13:12:23) |
 flyerfan92
using your suggestion of playoffs, I ask how does one get fair wildcard playoff spots when the schedule is so terribly unbalanced. I do not have any other suggestion. The league should have made up a balanced schedule even if it meant playing less games. I am greatly dissapointed at Winnipegs schedule. Its a joke |
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Posts: 366 (25-Oct-07 19:42:47) |
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Irwinboy |
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Posts: 37 (25-Oct-07 19:50:54) |
Playing almost 100 games during the season just to eliminate 2 teams from the playoffs would seem silly. Sort of makes the season into a big
"pre-season" for ten days of playoffs. It would seem more meaningful to me if the first half winner played the second half winner in a great LCS.
That would give the regular season some meaning and the five clubs who did not win the first half would have a fresh chance to go at it again in the second
half. If the same club wins both halves, the club with the next best OVERALL record should be the other playoff club. That makes for a true competitive
season in the game of baseball, which is a game designed to prove out a championship club over a larger number of games than other sports.
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BarkeepND |
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Posts: 367 (25-Oct-07 21:11:38) |
Irwinboy wrote: EXACTLY! It would be sad if a team that couldn't even finish the season in the top half of the league had a chance to win a couple short series and somehow be named 'champion' of the league. The third and fourth best teams in a six team league do not deserve to go to any playoffs. |
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Posts: 363 (25-Oct-07 22:34:16) |
Looks like the NOL needs to get more information out to the fans ASAP! There are so many questions that need to be answered!
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Posts: 144 (25-Oct-07 23:40:26) |
Today's Winnipeg Sun reports league will be a ONE DIVISION league. It does not say how many teams make the playoffs
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Ray Sipsa |
One Division for 2008 | ||
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Posts: 304 (26-Oct-07 05:38:18) |
The Northern League Web Site says that there will only be one division for 2008.
Really, what choice did they have. Two divisions would have been idiotic. |
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CWRedhawkfan |
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Posts: 118 (26-Oct-07 06:42:57) |
Thinking about 1 division and how the playoffs should be handled. In my opinion I would have first half champion vs second half champion in a best 4 out of
7. If the same team wins both halfs..Team with the best over all record would get the playoff birth, the team that wins both halfs would have home field.
Now...how about the All Star game? No divisions. How is this going to work? Any Ideas???? All Stars vs Last years Champ (Gary)?
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Posts: 54 (26-Oct-07 10:03:42) |
even though thats the boring way, to me at least, thats probably the way its gonna go.
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BarkeepND |
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Posts: 369 (26-Oct-07 10:29:16) |
CWRedhawkfan wrote: a seven game series between the two best teams would be an ideal way to decide the champions of a 6 team league. As far as the all-star game goes that's a good question. Since the first NoL all-star game wasn't until 1997 we can't look at the initial 6 team NoL for any idea what they did then. My best guess would be having the homestanding Goldeye's face the rest of the league's all stars. Otherwise perhaps a 'chicagoland v the others' format might work though having 1/3 of the league as 'all-stars' is overkill. |
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kckman |
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Posts: 146 (26-Oct-07 11:28:36) |
The NoL started as a one-division, six team league in 1993, and played only a single best of five championship series in each of its first three years. It
had seasons of 72, 80, and 84 games in those first three seasons, and all were thought to be great successes. See wher raised expectations lead? An 84-game
season with six teams in a single division is now thought as a failure, and it probably is, but keep in mind that it's a workable, survivable scenario. A
96-game season with five opponents is nearly 20 games vs. each team. In this kind of market, it's way too much.
Personally, I believe the NoL is all but done. The six still remaining should play 2008 as well as they can while negotiating surrender terms to join other leagues. I say this with great sadness, but it only took two years for this train wreck to happen. How the mighty have fallen. |
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Ray Sipsa |
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Posts: 305 (27-Oct-07 02:49:31) |
kckman - how right you are.
I remember when the Flyers came to Schaumburg in '99. It was a pretty big deal. My family and I went to the second game (couldn't get tickets for the first). Ron Kittle was the manager. Some former major league players were in the league and on the field. After the game, a spectacular fireworks show. The games were on the radio. And I remember the Northern League having two divisions. A whole separate division was out east.\ And then the east left. And then the four midwest teams left in 2005. And then the Alberta teams this year. What is now left is just a pale reminder of thee glory days. Maybe the six remianing teams will find a way to rebuild. I hope so. But who would buy a franchise now given this history? It might be like buying a condo on the Titanic. I agree that the best that can happen is a surrender where the remaining six teams will depart to join other leagues. I expect we'll see the Flyers (or another team at Alexian Field) in the Frontier League before too long. Still, it's sad. Very sad. |
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kckman |
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Posts: 147 (27-Oct-07 12:07:11) |
I'd even forgotten about the NoL/NEL merger of three years, and IIRC, wasn't it the NEL teams that divorced us?
I think that dropping from 12 to eight to six teams might not necessarily be a fatal blow to a league, but survival depends upon having enlightened and imaginative leadership; I don't see that in the six remaining teams. This is just going to get uglier. I see the NoL struggling through '08 while petitioning both the FL and AA to take them in.for '09. |
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Posts: 5365 (29-Oct-07 08:07:39) |
No, the NoL clubs didn't like the NoL-E clubs elevating their franchise values (or something like that).
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Posts: 307 (29-Oct-07 09:26:37) |
Bill, why wouldn't the NoL owners want their franchise values raised? Seems like that would be a good thing.
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Posts: 261 (29-Oct-07 20:56:11) |
Most of the vision was gone when Miles Wolff left (or was forced out) of the Northern League. The rest of it left to the AA. "Fun is Good" was
replaced by "Greed is Good".
Follow me on this but from what I see things happend like this. With the elimination of Miles Wolff they (the owners) could find someone to remove Duluth-Superior from the league as it was available for well under $1 million. Reason 1: Miles always tried very hard to keep a team in Duluth-Superior. Reason 2: A low priced team brings down the value of new franchises. Also needed to move away from the NoL-E as they also sold for far less then NoL teams or expansion teams. Why: To increase and over inflate the value of expansion teams also increasing the value of current teams. Thats all great if you can fill a league with 10-12 teams that average over 3000 per game. Problem is there are not enough of those markets so leagues have to figure out ways to help teams survive on 2000 per game or even a little less. The current track of the NoL is a very short term view and the view seems to be getting shorter.
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Posts: 5367 (29-Oct-07 22:19:09) |
They saw it as added costs (flights to the east coast) and propping up the value of the NoL-E clubs and, given the instabilities there, of little true added
value to them. superior has many of the other details --from first hand experience.
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