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if stjoe moves wouldnt kc be a natural replacement and an stj nol team would be just as isolated as kc is now . as for the ubl n fl competing for turf v the nol i wouldnt worry about those 2 loops

I've tried to ignore you but as usual, you're either lost, confused, confusing, and just plain wrong.

St. Joe

There's little chance that St. Joe would move to the KC since there's no ballpark there to house them now and no new ballparks in the works. No "replacement/move" to date has ever been just "down the road" (Rochester -> Winnipeg, Thunder Bay -> Schaumburg, Madison -> Lincoln, Duluth -> KCK) --unless you want to count the Goldeyes move from Deformity Field to CanWest.

If St. Joe were to move (as some rumors suggest) that franchise would end up in/as Grand Prairie. It might be (technically) shelved for future AA expansion (such as Brighton) if GP was "expansion."

If the NoL were to expand (or the remote possibility relocate an AB franchise) to St. Joe, KCK would be quite happy (and close). Or are you crazi enough to suggest that St. Joe would replace/become KCK? --which is impossible on so many counts.

FL & GLB competition

You may not worry, but you're crazi.

The NoL is clearly and obviously in competition with both leagues and that competition is clearly reason for concern (for those who don't live in craziworld). The FL is clearly more significant, but both have direct impacts to any NoL US expansion plans.

The FL --and you should obviously know-- has pretty much blocked the NoL out of anything in Michigan, Indiana, So. Ill. and St. Louis. Last year's expansion to Marion --another location the NoL desperately wanted-- is just one example. Their efforts in the Chicago area (McHenry County and Crystal Lake) represent possible locations that the NoL might have wanted --and could be direct competition for the league for fan dollars. It wouldn't be much of a surprise if they tried Milwaukee (Waukesha) and/or any other location left that the NoL left open (and the NWL hasn't taken over).

The GLB was the third league courting Wichita. Compared to the AA, they're admittedly not much competition for the NoL and likely to be trounced by the AA (and NoL) in any future head-to-head(-to-head) competitions. But they are the current force behind activities in Topeka --a location recently courted by the NoL-- and, if successful would lock both leagues out. Since they're willing to put up their own money to build ballparks, they have a better chance to succeed than any "retractable roof proposal."

You label yourself "crazi." Excuse me for calling what you write "crazi" when that's who you call yourself --and it often comes off as "crazy." When you write coherently and consistently then any so-called "attacks" will end --as has happen when your post make sense (or simply aren't worth replying to).

Let's review some of the incomprehensible comments of your last two posts

if stjoe moves wouldnt kc be a natural replacement

What does that sentence (fragment) mean? What/Who in KC naturally replacing St. Joe? Which league? Excuse me if I try to understand any sort of connection between a "stjoe move" and "kc natural replacement" as I did in my previous post by pointing out there nowhere (for either league) for St. Joe to go.

This premise is all yours and UNdefined. I just tried to explain what few options your (latest) cryptic seemed to suggest for either league (none of which I suggest makes sense). Excuse me if the most obvious suggestions don't make sense to you.

(1) Please explain what you meant by "replacement." In which league(s) were we to assume was to become home for the St. Joe franchise.

an stj nol team would be just as isolated as kc is now .

Have you EVER looked at a map? St. Joe is 53 miles from KCK! That's only only NINE miles further than the shortest distance between any of the closest teams in the entire history of the Northern League.

KCK is currently no closer than 501 miles from it's nearest NoL rival. That's nearly 10 times the distances. How is that "just as isolated?" Should Winnipeg feel about as "isolated" being over 200 miles from its nearest rival (and then 800+ from everyone else)?

(2) Please explain this "isolation?" How would reducing the distance to the nearest club to nearly 1/10 and to less than an hour's drive be "just as isolated?"

as for the nol being blocked by the fl as you say the windy city area clubs kick the behind of the fl clubs in attendance

The FL is actively working to expand in Chicago -- the NoL isn't.

The FL is expanding in the adjacent markets closeby and the NoL is completely absent. When they go up against the FL in Marion they fail. The NoL has some real serious competition and is losing out on the very places where they could expand.

The Flyers, with 4,5000/gm can't make their utility payments (and possibly more financial shortfalls). Attendance is hardly any protection against anyone. Besides that, you just changing the subject, not denying their efforts.

(3) Please tell us how "kick butt" attendance is helping the NoL with any expansion, especially in Chicago. Even if unsuccessful, how are the FL expansion efforts not a threat to NoL as it works to overlap further with the league?

fl has not only shut the nol if you will out of eastern michigan but themselves as well

How in the world is the FL blocking themselves out of Waterford (suburban Detroit) --where the NoL has been trying to get into for over 7 years? Is that not "eastern Michigan?" Even if Slippery Rock or Kalamazoo don't work out, neither would make it in the NoL.

(4) Explain to us how "expansion = blocking." Explain why you choose to limit FL "self-blocking" to "eastern MI." Do you mean to suggest that having natural in-state rivals is going to prevent them from expansion in what is clearly eastern Michigan?

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There are four items marked above asking for explanation since the facts do not fit with your statements. They represent just a small sample of the problems your incomplete/incoherent/inconsistent posts have been for quite a long time. Please post answers in a way the rest of can easily understand. If they aren't just as confusing maybe you'll earn some respect.